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Wednesday, September 17, 2008

Alternative After-lifestyles

There are two important truths to understand here. First: God will not "torture" anyone. He will give them "justice." A criminal may believe that his being thrown into a cold prison because he viciously raped three teenage girls, is torture. The judge rather knows better. He calls it "justice."
Right-o Ray. Way to take a page out of the torture-proponents handbooks. God won't "torture" people, he will simply give them "justice." Just like waterboarding and other torture techniques the US employs. We don't "torture" people, we simply have "aggressive interrogation techniques."

And you see, there is no "Hell." Really, there is just an "alternative life-style."

And, you vile atheists, consider this: a person may believe that his being burned, tormented, and plagued with sickness for all eternity because he once told a lie, is torture. God rather knows better. You may call it torture, but he calls it "justice."

P.S. This post is not "sarcasm." I "mean" everything I have typed. And the quotes? They don't "negate" whatever is in them. Ray Comfort is "not" an idiot.


Annie said...

The Bible says that if you lie, you will face "the lake of fire." That there will be "gnashing of teeth." I donno, I burnt my forearms once on the oven grills when I reached in to take a roast out. I yanked my arms back, and had to use Neosporen on the wounds for days. Wow that smarted!

I can't imagine what it would be like having that searing feeling (just before I yanked my arms back) all over my body, all at one time. And it would not last just the 80 to 100 years we know as a "lifetime" (a blink of an eye) but to have that searing for all the rest of eternity - F O R E V E R !

With that in mind, the thought of just ONE soul going to hell and having to endure that, HORRIFIES me! Call me a "bleeding heart" if you will, but I care enough to say a prayer for you anyway.

DisComforting Ignorance said...

Hi Annie,

I have just two questions for you that came to mind with your comment, if you will indulge me. If you are truly concerned for me and don't want me to endure Hell, responding to these would be a positive action to that end of saving me:

1. God is supposedly omni-benevolent and just. What sense does it make that the only unforgivable sin is not believing in him? I hear Christians constantly define adultery, lying, and stealing as "sins," but God won't judge you based on those, so they don't really count. The only thing he judges you on is whether or not you believe in him. If you believe in him, you go to Heaven; if you don't, you go to Hell. What sense does that make?

2. Secondly, why should I believe that I'm going to Hell? If you are honestly afraid and concerned for me then, please, convince me. A prayer isn't going to change my mind, but reason, logic, and evidence will. Just some evidence on the authenticity of the Bible and its claims will suffice.

The Qur'an says:
And they [Jews and Christians] say: None entereth paradise unless he be a Jew or a Christian. These are their own desires. Say: Bring your proof (of what ye state) if ye are truthful. (2:111)

I agree with this sentiment: bring me your proof if it's true. The Qur'an also says:

They misbelieve who say, "Verily, God is the Messiah, the son of Mary"; but the Messiah said, "O children of Israel! Worship God, my Lord and your Lord"; verily, he who associates aught1 with Allah, Allah hath forbidden him Paradise, and his resort is the Fire, and the unjust shall have none to help them. (Koran 5:76)

It says that you, as a Christian, are going to Hell. If you aren't concerned about going to the Hell of the Qur'an, why should I be concerned about the Hell of the Bible?

- JT

Anonymous said...

It seems she didn't read your post about alternatives to praying for you.

While I believe she may be genuinely concerned for us "lost" souls, your description of what would change your mind is something I doubt she's capable of, considering there really is no evidence for her god.

DisComforting Ignorance said...

Well, they aren't really things that would change my mind. There are things about the concept of Hell (and the Christian God) which genuinely don't make sense to me. I feel I need some clarification before I could even evaluate them. I would think the perfect question to get such answers is to ask why they believe the Bible over the Qur'an or why they fear the Christian Hell but not the Muslim Hell. I mean, if they don't fear the Muslim Hell, why should I fear the Christian Hell?

In one of your back blog posts, you wrote:

Apparently I'm going to hell anyway, but that doesn't bother me either. If such places do exist (which I'm pretty sure they don't), who cares? If hell is full of fire and shit, you'd get used to the heat eventually. I'm not too fond of cold weather but if I moved to Alaska I'm sure eventually the cold wouldn't bother me so much.

You know, that was actually going to be my first point of three. Yeah, Hell sounds horrible. But the thing is, Hell is the worst pain you could possibly imagine, and that pain is from one moment to the next for all eternity. If I am to understand the conditions, then I would eventually acclimate to it. I will have no experience or knowledge of what the absence of pain feels like. Not even if I live 100 years in this life. Eternity is infinity, so 100 years can't compare to it.

Knowledge of joy/happiness/no pain in Hell = lim[x->infinity] 100/x = 0.

Anonymous said...

Indeed it may take hundreds or even thousands of years to get used to the pain to the point where it is no longer pain, but what's a couple hundred years compared to eternity?

Basically, if by chance I'm wrong, and it is the Christians who are right, I'm not too worried about it. But the chances of the christians being right are practically null. I don't know too much about many other religions and their ideas of "hell", but I doubt that they're any worse than the christian hell, so why should I really be concerned?

I'd definitely love to know the absolute truth, but I'm content with the fact that I will never know.