Contact DisComforting Ignorance

Have thoughts, comments, criticisms, requests, or proselytization? Email disco.igno@gmail.com

No prayers. (Why not?)

Tuesday, July 8, 2008

Haughty, Audacious Arrogance

This morning at 12:54am, a post went up in Ray's blog called "Albert Einstein." It was immediately deleted (I've posted it as the first comment to this entry). It had Ray first completely misrepresenting the Einsteinian view of God as a creator-god instead of nature itself (about which Ray should probably read Answers in Genesis' article on). He then went into a paragraph about how he looks like Einstein and concludes that he is no where near on Einstein's intellectual level. The first part was frustrated, as I have posted about before; the second part was just bizarre.

Another version went up about at 1:39am and down again, with the only change being that "many" was stressed more for the number of times he's been told he looks like Einstein.

At 11:23am, "Einsteinian Evolution" went up, vastly different from the "Albert Einstein" drafts. It was the most shocking display of arrogance and vainglory that I have seen on the Internet recently, and that is saying something. It was also shockingly distasteful and enormously disrespectful. There's a common saying that a picture is worth a thousand words; the image for "Einsteinian Evolution" of Einstein evolving into Ray Comfort speaks volumes.

Part of the post is in jest, I understand that. But the message and comparison (or even evolutionary superiority) is quite clear. This is from the man who says that "atheists are generally arrogant." This is the man who, when asked "How can you Christians be so very arrogant?," responded that "We know the Author. That's enough..." This is also the man who said atheists probably won't listen by the "proud way most of you talk."

He insists that everyone capitalize "God" and "Jesus" out of respect (though I do it because they are proper nouns), and yet, he doesn't give Einstein the due respect he deserves by not superscripting the two on e=mc2? Not only is e=mc2 is wrong, it's also wrong.

So, just a few notes on the post itself. I won't bother clarifying Einstein's view of God, as I have already done that several times (list).
So, although Albert Einstein’s view of God is different than mine, it is pleasing to me that he humbly acknowledged the One who gave him life.
Even if we accept the view that Einstein defined God as an infinitely intelligent being built us (which he didn't), that would make him a deist. Ray says that he cares very much what he believed as he epitomized intelligence. Well, if he didn't not believe in God and that should make atheists bow to his intelligence and come to his religious views by being a deist, then theists like Ray should bow to his intelligence and come to his religious views by being a deist. If not, then stop making the appeal to authority.
Atheists say [...] that anyone who believes that God exists, hates science.
Where do atheists generally say that? I have never met an atheist, not a one, who has ever said that anyone who believes that God exists hates science. That's ridiculous. The two are not mutually exclusive and we have many scientists with an affinity for science who happen to believe God exists. I meet lay people all the time who are theists and still appreciate science, medicine, and technology. What we say, or at least, what "atheists" (whatever that group is) say is that people like Ray Comfort hate science and also happen to believe God exists. "Atheists" don't say theists like Ray hate science because they believe in God, we say they hate science because they are anti-science. Ray is very anti-science.

A next point of note here is his lumping of all atheists together that we all have one voice and all say the same thing -- and even with no qualifier! Do I say "Christians say that evolutionary theory states that evolution created gravity" or "Christians say that evolution states that we came from lightning striking a mud puddle"? No. I say "Ray Comfort says..." and "Ben Stein says..."

And lastly:
So I think I have more in common with the great genius than most.
I also have fingernails like Einstein, ride a bike like Einstein, and share many of his interests. Does that mean I have things in common with him?

Ray, you do not have more in common than most with the great genius; Stephen Hawking has more in common than most with the great genius.


The sum of Ray's post could be "I look a lot like Einstein, therefore I'm like the great genius." Or, "Einstein was smart about a lot of things; however, I disagree with him on religion, and I trump him there."

I thought perhaps between 1:39am and 11:23am he had rethought his asinine entry. Apparently not. Hey, Isaac Newton was a great genius and smart about a lot of things; however, I disagree with him on religion, so therefore I trump him there!

How tasteless.

Others on this topic:
Pharyngula
Friendly Atheist
Of Microbes and Men

2 comments:

DisComforting Ignorance said...

"Ray, two questions: 1. How do you think Einstein would like what you have done with your banner? 2. Why would you care what Einstein would like? You have very little in common with him." Chris

I think Albert Einstein would be delighted that I let people know that he hated being quoted by atheists. I also think that he would be pleased that I quoted him in context.

I care what Einstein liked (and believed) because his name epitomizes intelligence. It is synonymous with the word “genius.” Atheists say that intelligent design isn’t intelligent, and that anyone who believes that God exists, hates science. So, although Albert Einstein’s view of God is different than mine, it is pleasing to me that he humbly acknowledged the One who gave him life. He was no fool.

Now to your last comment--that I have little in common with Einstein. That’s just not true. We are both Jewish. We both emigrated to the United States. We both believe that we were intelligently designed by God. We both have moustaches. We both kept our hair, and my hair has been known to look like his after a restless nights sleep. In fact, many times I have been told that I look like Albert Einstein.

So I think I have more in common with the great genius than most. One other thing. Intellectually, I’m not worthy to tie his shoes.

flinging dust said...

Good catch, I didn't know that there were other versions of that post.

I've never said that Christians hate science either. I've said that I think a lot of them do not understand it, especially certain parts of science. Ray must be having another persecution delusion.