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Thursday, August 7, 2008

Epic Evidence of Ray's Dishonesty

You can now refer to DisComforting Ignorance's Annals of Ray's Dishonesty -- now with thirteen entries since this blog's inception.

A reader writes:
Ray, I'm sensing you were either too lazy or too scared to listen to Dr. Myers' turn on the radio.

If not why haven't you responded?
To this, Ray replies:

[REv...you mean the guy who was a no-show at the last moment. He was supposed to debate me. I wonder why he didn't show up? Do I smell chicken? Afraid of banana man :).]
This is regarding his and PZ's recent appearances on WDAY.

The Timeline
August 1: PZ announces that he and Ray will be debating intelligent design on WDAY.
August 4: PZ announces that the format of the show has been changed.
August 4: The producer comments on the change of format.
August 5: PZ posts a running commentary of Ray's appearance.
August 5: Ray appears on WDAY.
August 6: PZ appears on WDAY.
August 7: Ray claims PZ was a "chicken" and a "no-show at the last moment."

At first, I wanted to give Ray the benefit of the doubt... perhaps he wasn't informed that the producer changed the format to have PZ on the next day. Reason and evidence (those pesky things), however, reveal that's not the case.

The Reason
Let's assume Ray was not informed that the format of the show changes. He shows up or calls in to the station ahead of time to check in and waits to be brought on. Assuming the station had not notified him yet, are we to believe they didn't inform him then? Further, that he didn't make any comments to the station about the debate or about PZ's whereabouts?

Let's assume further, then, that neither of that took place. The station failed to notify him a day ahead of time -- even though they obviously notified PZ at least a day ahead of time -- and they failed to notify him when he showed up/called in and he did not make any comments about the debate or PZ which would have caused the station to reveal he was not there, and why. Okay, let's assume that's the case. Assuming that, are we then to believe that, during the course of the entire show, he didn't ask "Hey, where is PZ?" Assuming even that, are we to believe, further, that once the show was concluded, he didn't as "Hey, where was PZ?"

And, after all that, he did not even contact the station about it? Reason says: no.

The Evidence
#1: Towards the end of the show after hanging up with a paleontologist, the host says:
By the way we got another guy on tomorrow about this and he's gonna be talking about maybe the other side of it, so we'll have to see. (click here for excerpted audio portion)
So, the host announces PZ (or, at least, "the other side") on the show that Ray is on. Even if we were to assume that Ray had not even been informed yet, the host announces right then that he'd be on the next day.

But there's no reason even to assume that Ray had not been informed yet...

#2:
We don't need to rely on reason here, though, as we have evidence of it. PZ was notified ahead of time. So, did they choose to notify PZ ahead of time and not Ray? The producer of the show commented on the change of plans: (emphasis added on selection)
Hello, this is the producer for Ben and Jim in the Morning, the show that was going to have the Ray Comfort/PZ Myers debate. After looking over the responses to Dr. Myers' announcement of the change of plans, I thought I would make a short post answering some of the questions.

Posts numbers 2&8: The decision to change formats from a debate to two separate segments was made this afternoon by myself and the hosts of the show, Ben and Jim. We decided that given the short time available, neither side would be able to construct much in the way of arguments for their respective positions, and it would ultimately be fairer to both sides to give them their own segment to make their case.

As for Mr. Comfort going first, Comfort has a very tight schedule, and Dr. Myers was able to re-schedule easier than Mr. Comfort was. Mr. Comfort will be on the show at ~10:06am CT Tues., Aug. 5th, and Dr. Myers will be on ~10:06am CT Weds., Aug. 6th, each for 20-30 minutes.

We apologize that plans were changed at the last minute, but we still invite you to listen to both Mr. Comfort's and Dr. Myers' respective segments.
Here he indicates that they gave them both the opportunity to re-schedule and PZ had the ability to.

#3: I have contacted the station with Ray Comfort's comments. If and when they reply back to the following message, I will make another post about it:
I understand the original format was to have them both on together (link). PZ informed us that the format had changed (Ray made no mention of it either way beforehand). Ray is now claiming on his blog that PZ Myers ducked out at the last moment on the day he was supposed to be there as he was a chicken. Ray said the following (link):
REv...you mean the guy [Dr. Myers] who was a no-show at the last moment. He was supposed to debate me. I wonder why he didn't show up? Do I smell chicken? Afraid of banana man :).
Could you please comment on this to clear it up? You informed PZ of the change at least a day ahead of time (link). Did you fail to inform Ray Comfort that you had changed the format of the show, or if you did inform him, when? He is apparently claiming that PZ chickened out at the last moment. Was Ray not informed at all, either before or after the show, or is he misrepresenting the truth?

Wednesday, August 6, 2008

DisComforting Logic: False Analogy

I have proposed a new Raytractors project over at our blog. This will be the prospective post in the DisComforting Logic series -- albeit a lazy one as it is based on my Theist Test. The goal of this series is to educate people on various logical fallacies using some argument or statement by Ray Comfort as the example.

Logical Fallacy: False Analogy
Type: Informal
Source: The Atheist Test
Definition:
An analogy is when you have two proposed things, A and B, similar in some respect(s) and argue that since A has property X, B must also have property X as A and B are assumed similar. A false analogy occurs when they are similar in one respect but do not share the X as a common property.

Ray's Statement/Argument
Billions of years ago, a big bang produced a large rock. As the rock cooled, sweet brown liquid formed on its surface. As time passed, aluminum formed itself into a can, a lid, and a tab. Millions of years later, red and white paint fell from the sky, and formed itself into the words "Coca Cola 12 fluid ounces."

Of course, my theory is an insult to your intellect, because you know that if the Coca Cola can is made, there must be a maker. If it is designed, there must be a designer. The alternative, that it happened by chance or accident, is to move into an intellectual free zone.
Summary of Statement/Argument
Coke cans are like biological organisms.
Coke cans could not have evolved.
Therefore biological organisms could not have evolved.
The false analogy occurs as Coke cans may be similar in some respects (they exist and have functioning components), but that does not warrant the assumption that they had the same origins. Biological organisms are subject to biological processes whereas Coke cans are subject to manufacturing processes.

Example of Similar False Analogy -- "Fallacy of the Pepsi Can"
Decades ago, two Pepsi cans were in close proximity to one another. One's tab grew erect, perpendicular to its can, and penetrated the perforated opening to the second can. In the process, some of the first can's liquid shot through the small opening at the base of the tab into the opening of the second can. Nine months later a miniature Pepsi can was produced. Over time, it grew into a regular sized can and arrived in your hand.

Of course, my theory is an insult to your intelligence. Only a fool would believe in sexual reproduction if sexual reproduction doesn't work for Pepsi cans!
Summary of Similar Logical Fallacy
Pepsi cans are like biological organisms (they exist and have functioning components).
Pepsi cans could not have been sexually reproduced.
Therefore biological organisms could not have been sexually reproduced.

Best Atheist Recipe for Eating Babies

I have replaced the previous image with something less "offensive." Though, I don't think the original poster image ranks anywhere close to calling atheists baby-eaters. New image from of EatBabies.com.

This satirical post is dedicated to Dan the Debunker who seems to think that a post called Atheists Eat Babies! is appropriate.


Christians are so impenetrable by sin, that they miss out on the finer points of life. Restrained by an armor of morality, they never experience the finer depravities of life. One such depravity is eating babies.

Babies are tasty, as well as delicious. I know this recipe will never be tried by such righteous Christians, but I submit it to my fellow atheists, so that they can enjoy my unique recipe for eating babies. I know that we usually share these recipes and other trade secrets in the shadows, but since Dan over at Debunking Atheists has already exposed our baby eating predilections, I don't see the harm.

Selecting a baby
Babies are in season year round, but they are most tasty and available around the Christmas season. Not only do families fatten their babies up during this time for you, they also leave them laying around outside in nativity scenes for the taking! Try to avoid the nativity scenes at churches, as the priests have usually called dibs on those.

While you have your Christian neighbor distracted by waging your War on Christmas, take a page out of the homosexual playbook and penetrate the backdoor to nab their baby. Be sure that the baby has already been baptized, as that tenderizes it. If you get it too long after its baptism, though, it will have gone sour with the presence of Christ.

Preparing the baby
There is no preparation needed, as the parents have already stuffed it and tenderized it above. Store it in a dry, warm place until needed. If it makes incessant noise, stuff a few consecrated crackers in its mouth -- just like you would with an apple. Not too many, though, as remember that the presence of Christ in the crackers will sour the baby. The sinful flesh of the innocent baby must not be compromised, or else the taste will also be compromised.

Cooking and devouring the baby
Now that I have shared my secret for the best selection of babies, I'll now share the rest of my recipe. I've met many atheists who like theirs as baby back baby ribs, but I like my babies cooked in a lentil and black bean soup. The beans absorb the sins of the baby along with the spices to deliver quite a blow to the taste buds. Here's what else is needed:

10 cups of holy water (or blessed chicken broth)
1 stalk of celery, diced
1 pound of tomatoes, diced
1.5 cups of white onions
6 cloves of garlic, minced
3 tbsp of chili powder
3 tbsp of cumin
1 tsp of cayenne chili pepper (add more if the baby has allergies for an extra delight)
5 cups of cooked black beans (3 cups raw)
1 cup of lentils, raw

1. Saute the onions, garlic, and celery for 6-10 minutes until the celery is tender. Add in the spices and cook for a few more minutes until fragrant.
2. Add in the beans, holy water, tomatoes, and lentils. Bring to a boil
3. While it is coming to a boil, pile a bunch of copies of the Bible, Qur'an, and The God Delusion in the center of the kitchen. Ignite the pile -- if you don't have a lighter, summon your inner demon.
4. Add the baby into the soup and reduce it to a simmer. Be sure that you add a few more crackers to the baby so that it doesn't wake the neighbors. This wouldn't be the best way to get outed as an atheist.

Cook that for about half an hour. While cooking, dance naked around the fire, and, if you are having dinner for two, fornicate (homosexually, if possible).

Serve your lentil, black bean, and baby soup with a dash of salt. Affirm your allegiance to the evolutionary faith with an invocation of Darwin and a blessing from Saint PZ Myers and prophet Hermant Mehta.

Add a side of Ray Comfort brand bananas and a Coke can that took a few million years to evolve and enjoy.

RAmen.

Tuesday, August 5, 2008

Blog Upgradates

Top Keyword
Firstly, just something humorous from Google Analytics. The top keyword of people finding my blog?
death by coconut
DiscoIgno is the second result :-)

New Header
As I was looking at my header today, I noticed that the theme of "discomforting ignorance" portrayed by the Comfort quote mines is done a disservice by the blue marble image which is a symbol for anything but ignorance. As such, I've added some Icons of Ignorance, including the crocoduck, banana, and Coke can.

Diggin' it?
I also decided to add a Digg button to my posts. That's because readership has been steadily increasing (especially since the pineapple-coconut death match), so I decided it would be a good thing to add now.

Upcoming Posts
Can anyone else not listen to the archive of Ray's appearance today? I really want to listen to it (as I missed it), but I can't get it to play. If I can, I'll make a post on that.

Otherwise, the next few posts will probably be continuing the history of the First Amendment, as was inspired over at Debunking Atheists.

Also up to bat in the next few days: a very special (and tasty) surprise. If you thought the pineapple was a delicious post, you haven't seen anything yet :-)

History of First Amendment & Atheism, Part 1

Whether or not atheism is protected under the First Amendment or not is something that was debated in the Supreme Court quite some time ago. Definitions have changed as to what qualifies as a religion, such as not denying the divinity of Jesus to not denying the existence of a Supreme Being.

In this post, I will give the history of Free Exercise jurisprudence in the Supreme Court. This breaks from my usual format and content a bit, but if you find it interesting or informative, let me know. If so, I will post a second entry on the Establishment Clause and its history.

In this post, I will try to cover some of the major decisions as well as lines of thought/tests, including:
  • Reynolds v. U.S. (1879)
  • Cantwell v. Connecticut (1940)
  • Minersville v. Gobitis (1940)
  • West Virginia v. Barnette (1943) as it relates to Gobitis
  • Prince v. Massachusetts (1944)
  • Braunfeld v. Brown (1961)
  • Sherbert v. Verner (1963)
  • U.S. v. Seeger (1965)
  • Welsh v. U.S (1970)
  • Wisconsin v. Yoder (1972)
  • Employment Division, Department of Human Resources of Oregon v. Smith (1990)
  • Church of the Lukumi Babalu Aye v. City of Hialeah (1993)
  • Boerne v. Flores (1997)
  • Gonzales v. O Centro Espirita Beneficente Uniao Do Vegetal et al. (2006)
Most are familiar with the Lemon Test. We actually won't see that here (at least its development and creation) as that comes about in the Establishment cases.

Reynolds v US (1879): Belief-action distinction

Background
Brought by a Mormon. In 1862, Lincoln signs into law the Morrill Anti-Bigamy Act which outlaws polygamy in territories. At this time the Mormons believed it was the man's right and duty to engage in polygamy and failure to do so would result in damnation.

The aftermath of this decision is interesting (though, immaterial to the case). We get the Edmunds Act which bars Mormons from serving on juries, voting, or holding public office. Another act disincorporates the Church. Idaho, for example, required every voter to take an oath affirming he was not a bigamist or polygamist. Shortly after, the Mormon President Woodruff received a divine revelation that men did not have to engage in polygamy and made it practice to comply with anti-bigamy laws.

There's an interesting link between this case and same-sex marriage.

Decision
Justice Waite writes that clearly Congress cannot prohibit the free exercise of religion in the territories. This is where we first consider "what is religion?" Waite writes that the "word religion is not defined in the Constitution" and that we must therefore "ascertain its meaning" by looking at the "history of the times" when the First Amendment was adopted.

Waite does not define religion, though, nor makes any ruling on whether or not Mormonism is a religion. This is the case where the famous "wall of separation" makes its way into the Court. He turns to Jefferson's address to the Danbury Baptist Association:
Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his god; that he owes no account to none other for his faith or his worship; that the legislative powers of the government reach actions only, and not opinions
And, with this, we get the monumental belief-action distinction. Waite finds that the legislature is deprived of all regulation over mere opinion, but was free to regulate violations of "social duties or subversive of good order."

He concludes with an original intent argument and polls of jurisdiction by finding that polygamy has always been prohibited, including in the times of adoption, therefore religious guaranty mustn't have been meant to protect it.

Key Concepts/Issues
One of the ideas explored in this case was that of excusing someone for an action because of their religious beliefs while punishing another who does not have those religious beliefs would render religion superior to the law. This is interesting as we will return to this in the late 90s, especially with Scalia.

Free Exercise Tests
We get, in this decision, our first test. This is the belief-action principle:
Congress cannot regulate opinions, only actions when it: (a) violates social duties, and (b) subverts the good order.

Cantwell v. Connecticut (1940): Valid Secular Policy
Background
Brought by a Jehovah's Witness. Connecticut had passed a law requiring a license for religious solicitation (and charged a government official of determining what was a valid religion for it).

The Jehovah's Witness and his sons were going around in a heavily Catholic neighborhood proselytizing. A Catholic neighbor heard one of their phonographs which called Catholics and other organized religions enemies. The neighbor, reportedly, wanted to assault them, but instead the Jehovah's Witnesses were arrested for disturbing the peace and proselytizing without a permit.

Decision
Owen Roberts reiterates the belief-action distinction. He focuses on the action regulation, though, and asks what, why, and how the legislature may regulate action when it relates to a person's exercise of religion.

The legislation must serve some legitimate secular purpose and cannot discriminate among the religions. This introduces the neutrality principle which we will come back to time and time again. The neutrality principle states that, if the legislation is legitimate, it must be general and non-discriminatory; not involving any religious test.

Key Concepts/Issues
This case incorporates the Free Exercise to the states.

This builds on the belief-action distinction by distinguishing what types of action government is allowed to regulate.

Free Exercise Tests
We get the Valid Secular Policy test, which has the components:
a. Must serve legitimate secular purpose
b. May not discriminate against a particular religion
c. Neutrality: may regulate by GENERAL and NON-DISCRIMINATORY legislation
d. Cannot involve any religious test


Minersville v Gobitis (1940): Pledge of Allegiance is challenged before "under God" was even added!
Background
Brought by a Jehovah's Witness. This was brought by Jehovah's Witnesses who say that the requirement to salute the flag violates their free exercise of religion which prohibits such an action. The children, in elementary school, refused to salute the flag, as instructed by their father. The school district then expelled them. This resulted in expulsions of Jehovah's Witness children and teachers in many parts of the country.

As a sidenote, this is also another case where Catholics were involved with the Jehovah's Witnesses. The overwhelming majority of the school was Catholic, as Minersville was almost entirely Catholic and there was hostility in the community already for Jehovah's Witnesses. There were no punishments for refusing to salute the flag at the time. It wasn't until the Jehovah's Witnesses refused to that they changed it so they could expel them. A local Catholic Church also organized a boycott against the family's store which resulted in economic hardship.

Decision
The decision was 8-1 against the Jehovah's Witnesses. Frankfurter's first main point is that any general law passed for secular reasons and enforced neutrally cannot be unconstitutional. His other main point is that the Court should not become the school board for the country -- it should exercise judicial restraint in not overruling local school boards.

What is the valid secular policy? He writes that the Pledge fosters patriotism, which children cannot be excused from. National unity is the basis of national security.

Additionally, he makes the point that the school is supposed to awaken the children's minds to things they aren't getting at home, so long as the "parents are unmolested in their right to counteract by their own persuasiveness."

Dissent
The dissent by Justice Stone is very important here, as it will shape the next case and cases to come. Stone makes a point that what has happened here has far more than a violation of their right to free speech and right to free exercise of religion, it has coerced these children into expressing a sentiment which they disbelieve and abhor as it deeply violates their religious convictions. The Gobitas family (it is misspelled Gobitis in the Court) had actually offered an altered version of the Pledge which they would gladly participate in.

With this, Stone advocated a balancing approach when government interest competed with individual liberty. He insisted for a reasonable accomodation, whenever possible, so as to preserve the essentials of both. There are ways of securing the legitimate, secular end without infringing on the rights of the individual. Such could have been the case here, instead of mandating the pupils to affirm that which they do not.

He also makes a response to the local school board restraint sentiment that the Constitution is more than just requiring the conviction of the people by preserving the democratic process at all cost; there is a freedom of mind and spirit which must be preserved.

To summarize:
1. These convictions are clearly religious and genuine.
2. Interests of government and protected liberty are competing
3. There are other ways to foster patriotism than to expel students for affirming that which violates their religion. [balancing and less-restrictive]
4. Constitution is the ultimate conviction of people through democratic process; no lesser government may overrule it.

Key Concepts/Issues
If a general law is passed for secular reasons and enforced even-handedly, it cannot be unconstitutional.

West Virginia v Barnette (1943): The Court reconsiders its gross injustice
Background
The result of the Gobitis case is staggering. Thousands of children are expelled in every state of the country. The Gobitis precedent is actually ignored in some lower courts. Federal Judge John J. Parker actually writes in a case before him that judges are recreant in their duty by denying protection of "rights which we regard as among the most sacred of those protected by constitutional guarantees."

It isn't just the children who were persecuted. Jehovah's Witnesses were painted as Nazi sympathizers. America erupted into a violent mob towards Jehovah's Witnesses. Their places of worship were desecrated and burned. Entire towns of Jehovah's Witnesses were jailed. They were tarred and feathered. They were brutally beaten with all kinds of instruments, such as pipes. They were castrated. They were forced to drink oil. They were jailed on all sorts of charges, including sedition.

West Virginia passes a statute requiring all students and teachers to salute the flag. Failure to do so would result in expulsion and possible prosecution of parents with penalty of imprisonment.

Decision
They reconsider this in terms of Free Speech, not Free Exercise. Nonetheless, it is important to Free Exercise. This time, they vote 6-3 to overturn their prior decision. Jackson argues that it is a form of utterance (speech), and requires an affirmation of belief. It therefore violates the First Amendment.

He echoes Stone's dissent, though, by saying that "freedom of mind" is beyond the scope of majority of vote and is protected by the Bill of Rights.

Prince v Massachusetts (1944): Parental authority and child welfare
Background
Brought by a Jehovah's Witness. A Massachusetts law prohibits any male under 12 or any female under 18 from distributing pamphlets or other articles. Any parents who permits or requires their children to do so are liable for fines and imprisonment.

The Jehovah's Witness argument is that the street is, for them, their church and denying them access to it is denying them access for religious purposes. Sarah Prince claims that two liberties are at stake: her right to bring her child up and teach him the tenets and practices of their faith. The other is the child's freedom to observe these.

Decision
This is a 5-4 decision against the Jehovah's Witness. The importance of this case, though, lies in the dissent.

Rutledge writes for the majority that freedom of press and religion are subject to "incidental regulation to the slight degree." He argues a balancing approach that the Court must balance between state's interest in welfare of child and that of parent's right to bring up child and child's freedom of conscience and religion. The state has more authority over children and it must protect against "possible harms."

The state's authority is broader over the activities of children than adults, especially in matters of public activities and employment (as this was also a law against employing children to distribute materials). He calls child employment an evil most appropriate for legislation due to its crippling effects and the possible harms they are exposed to on the streets. As such, he concludes that it is a valid state exercise to pass legislation which is appropriately designed to prevent and protect against such evils.

To summarize:
1. Freedom of press and religion subject to "incidental regulation to the slight degree."
2. Must BALANCE between state's interest in welfare of child and that of parent's right to bring up child and child's freedom of conscience and religion
3. State has more authority over children; must protect against "possible harms."


Dissent
As mentioned, the dissent is most important here as its going to predict future decisions, as I'll show you.

His main points are against Rutledge's arguments of "possible harm" and degree of "evils." These "possible harms" are hypothetical and insufficient justification for such restriction of conscience and religion. Regarding the possible harms from the public streets which were referenced in Rutledge's opinion, Jackson writes:
To the extent that they flow from participation in ordinary commercial activities, these harms are irrelevant to this case. And the bare possibility that such harms might emanate from distribution of religious literature is not, standing alone, sufficient justification for restricting freedom of conscience and religion
As such, parents cannot reasonably be liable because of such vague possibilities. The evils which the state aims to protect against must be "grave, immediate, substantial" to warrant incidental regulation of religion. The "legitimate interest of the state is in grave danger."

He writes that religious freedom is too sacred a right to be restricted, regulated, or prohibited in any degree without convincing evidence that a "legitimate interest of the state is in grave danger":
No chapter in human history has been so largely written in terms of persecution and intolerance as the one dealing with religious freedom. From ancient times to the present day, the ingenuity of man has known no limits in its ability to forge weapons of oppression for use against rights of those who dare to express or practice unorthodox religious beliefs. And the Jehovah's Witnesses are living proof of the fact that even in this nation, conceived as it was in the ideals of freedom, the right to practice religion in unconventional ways is still far from secure.


Conclusion of Part One
Here we have seen the beginning of Free Exercise jurisprudence. They have focused on a belief-action distinction. Obviously the government cannot in any way regulate belief (something touched on again in the Pledge cases). The court began to consider, though, in what ways can action be regulated? What actions necessitate regulation and what actions do the Constitution allow to be regulated?

Seminal questions. As we've seen, the Court has begun to consider the secular interest component of legislation. After the requirement of a legitimate, secular purpose, the question moves into the competition of government interest vs individual liberty.

Jackson's dissent in this last case indicates where the Court will be going. The next question is how to do this balancing approach. As Jackson argues, the state interest must be in "grave danger" to warrant regulation of Free Exercise.


Looking Forward to Part Two
As mentioned, if you found this interesting, let me know. The next part is where the important decisions come in.

The Court begins to consider the intent of laws (regardless of secular purpose) and the burden (direct or indirect) they pose to religion. We see the emergence of the compelling-interest test/principle and revisit the child protection vs religious faith question.

As Scalia joins the bench, we will see the Court start to move backwards as the principles previously decided are called back into question. We will revisit the idea of an individual's conscience rendering it a law unto itself when religion is rendered superior to the law.

We will also see a decline in Jehovah's Witnesses case (there aren't really many important after this). We will see cases brought by Catholics, Indians, and the Amish. We will also start to see the question of irreligion as protected under Free Exercise.

We will also visit the Conscientious Objector cases and just what constitutes "religion" for purposes of the First Amendment.