But watch what comes back from professing atheists. They can’t see the absolute simplicity of the issue.Right. We'll go with the absolute simplicity of the Muslim faith, then, and how it relates to the Christian faith.
For an absolute statement to be true, we need absolute knowledge.As if what I say, claim, or believe has any effect on what is and is not true in anything. To discern (absolutely) if a statement is true -- any statement, much less an absolute one (whatever that is) -- I need absolute knowledge (omniscience). For a statement, any statement, to be true does not require anyone, not a one, to have any knowledge whatsoever. What is true and what is known are not the same things.
It is a good thing I skipped ahead to Part IV of The Theist Test as Ray decided to pull out the old gem of "no gold in China" shtick instead of a banana or building.
[To claim there is only one god and no more than one god] I must know how many hairs are upon every head, every thought of every human heart, every detail of history, every atom within every rock...nothing is hidden from my eyes...I know the intimate details of the secret love-life of the fleas on the back of the black cat of Napolean's great-grandmother. To make the absolute statement "There is only one god." I must have knowledge that there is at least one and absolute knowledge that there is no other god besides that one.The Koran says that the Christian is the vilest of all creatures (98:8) and that they will surely burn forever for claiming that God is the Son of Mary, the Messiah (5:76). But what does that mean? It means that they are highly offensive, repulsive, and disgusting, and will make claims to such affect. Of course, since Muslims know Allah experientially (commonly called a "conversion"), they can make the claim that Allah is the one God and that Christians worship a corruption; an illusion. They can make the claim that "there is only one God and his name is Allah" in the same way they can make the claim that "there is gold in China." In the former case, it's because they are on a first name basis with such an entity and in the latter case they can "have seen a Chinese person in China yawn [to] see a gold tooth to know that there is gold in China" (a bit of a racial stereotype?).
And since the Muslims know Allah and Allah is omniscient, they therefore know that the Koran is true and the Bible is false. Therefore, the statement that Christians are the "vilest of all creatures" is also true. Ray, you vile creature.
"There is only one God" is an even more extraordinary and absolute claim than "there is no God." How can you possibly know God experientially anyway to know that he is the only one? He can claim he cannot tell a lie, but how can you know that he is not lying to you? If he is truly as powerful as you claim, there is no way to know, and therefore you aren't a Christian. You are what is commonly called an "agnostic." Therefore, you don't know (ignorant). You make the same claim as the Muslims and every other religion.
Ray also moves into a discussion about the "beginning." His logic is impeccable:
I looked at creation and believed that "in the beginning" there was a Creator because reason told me that creation could not create itself.I mean the logic is impeccable because it truly is. Creation cannot create itself, because the very definition of creation is something that is created:
creation (n): something that is or has been created.Obviously something that is a creation, meaning that it was created, had to have been created, or else it couldn't have been created. Is your head spinning yet from all the circles? And to his next proposition:
If it didn’t exist before it came into being, how could it create itself?Again, something that didn't exist before it began to exist, how could it not have began to exist? Again, the logic is impeccable. It reminds me of Dale Gribble arguing against gun control by claiming "If someone breaks into your house and you don't have a gun, how are you supposed to shoot him?"
I've got something for you, Ray: How can evolved beings exist if evolution didn't happen? Since they are evolved beings, that means they had to have been produced by evolution because that is the definition of evolved beings. Therefore, evolution had to have happened, you dolt.
It had to have come about by an eternal force, commonly known as "God."Or the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
I have spoken to countless atheists, and when pressed about the beginning, they say that they don’t know the initial cause. They don’t know, but they choose to believe that it definitely wasn’t God.And if you press me about what causes cancer, when I say that I don't know, does that mean I should then accept your imaginary cause for it, which is without logic or proof? You baselessly claim that life, the universe, and everything (except God) had a beginning. Why? Oh, I know, because everything that was not in existence and came into existence had to have come into existence! How foolish of me. Sufficiently convinced by such sound logic, I will continue to pretend there is no God, though, and put my blinders back on. After all, I am a professing atheist.
But watch what comes back from professing atheists. They can’t see the absolute simplicity of the issue. The Bible is so right. The atheist is blind, and this blindness is willful. They cannot see because they don’t want to. Simple.But just watch what the Christian comes back with. The Koran is so right. They are the vilest of all creatures with their repulsiveness. They cannot see because they don't want to. They could be just in the eyes of Allah, but they don't want to. They want to revel in their vile ways as the vile creatures they are. Simple.
"Simple." I can't think of a better description of your post indeed.
